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Mrs. Caroline Spelman (Meriden): I beg to move,
That this House shares the concerns of the Trade Justice Movement
about the plight of the poorest people in the world, and congratulates
them on bringing these matters to the attention of the public;
notes with great concern the increasing levels of hunger and
poverty in many developing nations; further notes that international
development targets are not being met in Africa; recognises
the depth of public concern on this issue; believes that increasing
levels of international trade offer the greatest hope for the
alleviation of hunger and poverty in history; further believes
that the removal of trade barriers will promote economic growth,
trade and investment in poor nations; supports the liberalisation
of trade; is concerned that the Common Agricultural Policy is
failing both British farmers and consumers, and harming farmers
in poor countries; is also concerned at the rising levels of
farm subsidies in America; and calls on the Government to use
the forthcoming G8 Summit in Canada, the EU Heads of Government
Meeting, and future World Trade Organisation meetings to further
the liberalisation of international trade to promote the alleviation
of poverty and combat hunger and starvation amongst the poorest
people on earth.
Before I begin my speech, I should like to welcome the hon.
Member for Northampton, North (Ms Keeble) to her new post as
Under-Secretary of State for International Development. I very
much look forward to debating international development issues
with her. I enjoyed my debates with her predecessor, and I am
sure that the Under-Secretary's knowledge of South Africa will
be a great asset to her.
Given that 10,000 people from every corner of the United Kingdom
have come to lobby Parliament today, I am delighted that Her
Majesty's official Opposition have chosen to debate an issue
that clearly matters to British people. We congratulate the
Trade Justice Movement on bringing the matter to the attention
of the public. We may not agree with everything for which the
movement calls, but we share its concern for the plight of the
poorest people in the world. The movement recognises that trade
can play an important part in reducing poverty and improving
our quality of life. It can generate jobs and wealth.
Conservatives believe that trade could be the greatest force
for poverty reduction in history. There is no question but that
the opening up of markets and increased trade from developing
countries would dwarf any contribution that could be made from
overseas aid. That is not idealism, but common sense.
Tariff barriers cost poor countries $100 billion a year-twice
as much as they receive in aid. We firmly believe that trade
restrictions are the main barrier to development. There is a
danger that seeking to impose controls on overseas investment
in developing countries may make it less attractive for companies
to invest, which would deprive people in the developing world
of the jobs and trading opportunities that they desperately
need.
Much progress has been made in reducing poverty over the past
50 years, but it has been patchy. A whole continent-Africa-is
being left behind. It is the only region in the world that is
completely off target when it comes to meeting the millennium
development goals on health, education and poverty.
That is why we have called for the debate today. Despite the
onward spread of globalisation, the World Bank has found that
many of the poorest countries are in danger of becoming marginal
to the world economy. As it pointed out in a recent report,
incomes in those countries have been falling, poverty has been
rising, and those countries participate in trade less today
than they did 20 years ago.
This is our challenge: the Government and the whole international
community must do more to allow countries currently excluded
from international trade to reap the immense benefits that it
offers.
Much pressure has been placed on poor countries to open their
markets and liberalise trade, but rich countries-including Britain-are
reluctant to practise what they preach. Telling poor countries
to end subsidies and open their markets is like sitting in a
glasshouse throwing stones, and today we want to address such
hypocrisy.
We can alleviate world poverty by freeing up trade, and I want
to set out how it be done. First, it can be done by market access.
If Africa were to increase its share of world exports by just
1 per cent., it would generate $70 billion-approximately five
times what the continent receives in aid. Conservatives believe
that free trade is the engine of poverty reduction. Several
case studies show the beneficial effects of increased global
trade. The number of rural poor in China declined from 250 million
in 1978 to just 34 million in 1999. The level of absolute poverty
in Vietnam has been halved in 10 years. India and Uganda have
also enjoyed rapid poverty reduction as they have integrated
into the world economy. Poverty in Uganda fell by 40 per cent.
in the 1990s, and school enrolment doubled. More has been done
to address poverty in the past 50 years than in the past 500,
but there is much more to do.
Mr. Harry Barnes (North-East Derbyshire): Will the hon.
Lady explain the Conservative position on the Tobin tax, which
would raise trillions of pounds a year on international currency
speculation? The Chancellor of the Exchequer blows hot and cold
about the measure, and is in a cold phase at the moment. It
would be nice to know where the Conservatives stood on the matter.
Mrs. Spelman: I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention,
but I do not think that one measure will fix the problems of
global poverty. The underlying problem that the measure seeks
to address is currency instability, to which many factors contribute.
That is the key point.
How does globalisation work to reduce poverty? It increases
inward investment and drives economic growth. It has meant that,
for the first time, poor countries have been able to harness
the potential of their abundant labour to break into global
markets for manufactured goods and services. In fact, manufactured
goods amounted to less than a quarter of developing countries'
exports in 1980, but by 1998 they had soared to 80 per cent.
Poor countries' comparative advantages can be realised when
they are able to export freely without unnecessary hindrance.
For many people-indeed, for an entire continent-the picture
seems less rosy. Many billions of people remain excluded from
the process of globalisation, for which a number of factors
are responsible, including conflict, sickness and poor government.
However, many of them are excluded from trade by the prevailing
trade systems. As Kofi Annan pointed out last year, poor countries
are caught in a vicious circle-they need foreign investment
but can offer little to attract it. In order to break out of
that cycle, poor countries need to export and to open markets
in which their goods can compete.
Here is the authentic voice of business. The chairman of Unilever
wrote in the Financial Times last week:
"For all their talk of development, western nations in
effect exclude many African exports from their markets."
That is from the chairman of a company that has been in Africa
for more than a century.
Rich countries continue to impose barriers to trade on their
poor neighbours. The most obvious are the punitive tariffs imposed
on imported goods. Possibly the most well-known example is the
recent decision by the United States to raise tariffs against
steel imports, but the USA is not the only culprit. According
to an Oxfam report published on 11 April this year, the European
Union is more protectionist in respect of poor countries than
are the United States, Japan or Canada. In fact, only New Zealand
has fully opened its markets to products exported by least developed
countries.
The least developed countries lose an estimated $2.5 billion
a year in potential export earnings as a result of high levels
of tariff protection in Canada, the EU, the United States and
Japan. Without tariffs and quotas, poor countries could generate
an 11 per cent. increase in their exports.
Hugh Bayley (City of York): Does the hon. Lady welcome
the European Union's everything but arms initiative, which removes
tariffs from everything but arms for the poorest countries?
Does she think that that is at least a move in the right direction
and will she explain why it did not happen while the Conservative
party was in power?
Mrs. Spelman: I will discuss in some detail what the
European Union has done to help and where it could do more.
When the Conservative party was in power that initiative had
not been proposed, but there is no doubt that it represents
progress and I shall say so.
It is difficult to quantify the benefits that would accrue to
developing countries if there were total import liberalisation.
Some estimates have predicted gains of more than $3 billion
each for India, China and Brazil and more than $14 billion for
Latin America in total. The Government have pledged a number
of times to reduce the import tariffs that face poor countries.
Progress has been made. The initiative to which the hon. Member
for City of York (Hugh Bayley) referred made a start in providing
that free access to poorer countries, but the EU still maintains
some of its highest tariff peaks on a large number of imported
goods. Canada is another example, as 30 per cent. of poor countries'
exports to Canada face peak tariffs.
On a slightly different note, another injustice is that typical
exports from developing countries, such as agricultural and
labour-intensive products, face far higher tariff barriers when
they enter major northern markets than industrial products.
The Prime Minister announced in his speech to the Labour party
conference that we would offer Africa access to our markets,
to practise the free trade that we are so fond of preaching.
Are we extending free access to Africa? Perhaps the Secretary
of State will clarify how market access is to be extended to
Africa. What are the tangible steps to better market access?
Which countries do we want to help? What objectives have we
set and how will we measure success?
At the EU Heads of Government meeting-
Tony Worthington (Clydebank and Milngavie): Does the
hon. Lady agree that sugar should have been included under the
everything but arms initiative?
Mrs. Spelman: If the hon. Gentleman will forgive me,
he has questioned me on a subject about which I know quite a
lot as I worked for sugar beet growers for more than 15 years.
I wish to give him an informed reply and not a simple yes or
no. It is not a simple question. Perhaps he is not aware that,
under the protocol signed by African, Caribbean and Pacific
countries, many developing countries benefit from the same price
as that received by farmers in this country. Automatically removing
those preferential terms would create very real problems in
the sugar industry of those countries. While I am sure that
reform is needed in that area, we must be very careful that
it does not hurt our farmers-we must find reforms that will
work for them-or have damaging consequences for the most vulnerable
farmers.
The Secretary of State for International Development (Clare
Short): Everyone is in favour of free and fair trade until
it comes to specifics. The hon. Lady has worked in sugar and
sugar beet, where there are quotas that privilege certain of
the poorest countries. The sugar beet farmers of the United
Kingdom and farmers in some of those countries ran a campaign
to weaken the everything but arms initiative and access for
sugar from the least developed countries, and they succeeded
to a degree. The hon. Lady is telling us that we should open
our markets to the poorest countries, but she wants a position
for the sector in which she has worked that is not as good as
the one that she proposes overall. The Government's position
was that we should have opened the markets fully to the least
developed countries. The compromise was reached because, with
the help of many Tory Members, who lobbied-
Mr. Speaker: Order. The Secretary of State will wait
her turn.
Mrs. Spelman: It should be remembered, Mr. Speaker,
that 50 per cent. of the UK market for sugar is supplied from
developing countries, which is unique among the member states
of the EU. The Government have a lot of work to do with other
EU member states that do not have such an accepting compromise
with the developing world and do not allow free trade both from
and to such countries.
Simon Hughes (Southwark, North and Bermondsey): Will
the hon. Lady give way?
Mrs. Spelman: I want to proceed on this point. We have
had an exchange on sugar, and I do not wish to be accused of
allowing the issue to dominate the debate. This is a short debate,
a number of Members want to contribute, and I am sure that the
hon. Gentleman will be successful later in catching Mr. Speaker's
eye.
At the EU Heads of Government meeting in Seville later this
week, the Prime Minister should promote the agenda of furthering
free market access for poor countries. Could he make public
the list of EU negotiating demands on the general agreement
on trade in services, which have to be decided before the end
of this month? Hon. Members have a real interest in that. Promoting
genuinely free trade should also be high on the agenda in Canada
later this month, when G8 countries meet. They have the greatest
influence in changing trade rules. At the moment, the World
Trade Organisation seems remarkably impotent at tackling human
ingenuity in avoiding rules that are designed to free up trade.
Reform is needed of the WTO so that it is even more effective.
We could do more to tackle the scepticism among developing nations,
however, as the WTO does not appear to serve them well.
Here is a practical suggestion for the Secretary of State-could
we not provide a panel of lawyers and advisers to help developing
nations make the rules of the WTO work better for them?
Roger Casale (Wimbledon): The hon. Lady is making the
case for free trade as a motor for development, on which we
can agree. Does she repudiate the experience of the previous
Conservative Government, however, in tying trade to aid? That
left a situation in which developing countries, far from being
free to trade, were forced to import goods and services, and,
often, arms from this country, which they did not want and did
not need.
Mrs. Spelman: I am not here to repudiate and analyse
history. The important thing is that we gave our support to
the International Development Bill-now the International Development
Act 2002-which untied aid. As part of that, we recognised the
important focus of poverty reduction. I hope that, in everything
I have said today, I have made it perfectly clear how committed
the Conservative party is to reducing global poverty. I hope
that the hon. Gentleman is left in no doubt about that.
Simon Hughes rose-
Mr. Simon Thomas (Ceredigion) rose-
Mrs. Spelman: I will give way to the hon. Member for
Southwark, North and Bermondsey (Simon Hughes), if his contribution
is on a wider point. I know that this is a short debate, Mr.
Speaker.
Simon Hughes: On the wider issue of trade barriers,
will the hon. Lady first tell us for the record whether the
Conservative party is in favour of majority voting in the WTO?
Secondly, is it in favour of majority voting in the European
Union? One of the reasons that subsidy and trade barriers in
agriculture have continued is that the veto in the European
Union has kept them in place.
Mrs. Spelman: The hon. Gentleman may know that I spent
a great deal of time working with different member states of
the European Union on agricultural policy. I discovered that
it is very difficult to make headway in negotiations when member
states lack the good will to work together for the best result
internationally, for Europe as a trading bloc, and, as I hope
that I have made clear today, for poorer nations. All too easily,
national interest can be over-used. I have seen it used and
abused. There are times, however, when the national interest
is an issue and when Governments would be expected to argue
for the national interest of their country. In the past, the
trouble has been that it has been used injudiciously, not by
our country specifically, but by a number of other countries
that have strong vested agricultural interests. That has led
to the use of the national interest to defend a country's position
being brought into disrepute. I am therefore wary of making
a sweeping generalisation about whether it should or should
not be used.
I want to move on to reform of the subsidies, which is a very
important area. It is another matter that the Prime Minister
should discuss in Seville later this week. Some of the worst
distortions of trade are caused by the subsidy systems used
by countries to bolster their domestic production. When it comes
to subsidy, there is no way in which poor countries are able
to compete with the power of wealthier nations.
In dollar terms, agricultural subsidies in countries in the
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development are more
than two thirds of Africa's total GDP. They account for more
than a quarter of farm output in the United States, rising to
40 per cent. in the European Union and to more than 60 per cent.
in Japan.
The Trade Justice Movement has provided us today with the example
of rice growers in Haiti, who produce rice for local markets.
However, as rich countries, notably the US, have subsidised
their rice exports, Haiti has been flooded with cheap rice imports
so that Haitian farmers are unable to find a market for their
crops.
I have worked in agriculture for most of my working life, and
I deeply sympathise with the problems that our farmers-particularly
dairy farmers-face. The irony is that the common agricultural
policy is meant to provide a reasonable standard of living for
farmers in the EU, but it does not even provide a living wage
for our dairy farmers and directly affects the viability of
farmers in the developing world.
Recently, I went to India with Oxfam and Members may not be
aware that India is the world's largest producer of milk. However,
it cannot compete with subsidised milk surpluses from the EU
that are exported to the growth market of the middle east. That
is despite the fact that India is the second lowest cost producer
in the world after New Zealand.
At the last ministerial meeting of the WTO in Doha, countries
agreed to launch a new trade round, including the liberalisation
of agricultural subsidies. That was certainly progress, and
I hope that it comes to fruition. Nevertheless, the decision
came after much foot dragging by the EU, and the scepticism
of poor countries results from rich countries' reluctance to
keep their side of the bargain in the past.
I am sure that the whole House abhors the decision by the US
Congress to vote through an additional $100 million worth of
subsidies for American farmers. Total US agricultural subsidies
will then amount to $388 dollars per head, which represents
a staggering 67 per cent. increase in farm subsidies. However,
we should not kid ourselves that those sums get through to poor
farmers. Americans may be our staunchest allies in time of war
but, on trade, that increase is a retrograde step for the principles
of liberty that their nation espouses. The move will cause incalculable
damage to the lives of farmers in the developing world as well
as to the livelihoods of farmers in this country. I clearly
recall the outrage that resulted from the US decision to impose
tariffs on its steel imports, but have the Government expressed
similar condemnation of the US Farm Bill? When the Prime Minister
goes to Canada for the G8 summit, I hope that he will use his
good relations with the US President to make plain the damage
that the Bill will do.
The US is not the only culprit. EU agricultural subsidies amount
to $276 a head-to use the same currency-compared with $338 in
the US. The last thing that we want is the equivalent of an
arms race in farm subsidies. To prevent that, the CAP must be
reformed. Some 1.6 million Africans live on less than $2 a day
but every cow in the EU is subsidised to the tune of $2 a day.
Roger Casale: Will the hon. Lady give way?
Mrs. Spelman: I have already given way to the hon. Gentleman.
The Government White Paper on globalisation pledged to push
for significant reform of the CAP, but that has not happened.
The CAP must be reformed in a way that will ensure a reasonable
living for British farmers and reasonable opportunities for
their counterparts in poorer nations. Farmers in Britain face
huge problems and they are not well served by the CAP. Conservative
Members would like the Government to make a far greater effort
to reform the CAP. In their White Paper, they said that they
would use every opportunity to work for change to the CAP. When
the Prime Minister attends the EU summit later this week, will
he try to persuade other EU leaders to agree to a timetable
for CAP reform?
There also needs to be reform of double standards. Rules that
appear to benefit only the rich at the expense of the poor should
not be tolerated. Those groups that accuse the developed world
of double standards are right. I recognise that people may think
that trade liberalisation is a one-way street for richer countries
to get richer, but it does not have to be. I see it far more
as a two-way street, with trade going both ways. The Government
should tackle trade injustice with more vigour. We are calling
on them to show leadership. If any poor nation behaved in the
way that America recently did in passing its Farm Bill, it would
have faced the wrath of the World Bank and the International
Monetary Fund. It is one rule for some and another rule for
others.
Later this month, the G8 will meet in Alberta, Canada. There
has been much rhetoric about it being a development summit.
The New Partnership for Africa's Development is high on its
agenda. NEPAD is a partnership, and on our side that should
mean free and fair market access. Partnership is a two-way process,
however. In return for opening our markets, we can press for
economic, political and social reform in those countries that
want to trade with us. There is no doubt that corruption is
one of the greatest impediments to development in such countries.
One of the most important things that could be achieved in the
summit would be a commitment from the G8 to address the imbalances
in the trade system. Some 10,000 people have come to lobby Parliament
today on the issue of trade. There can be no doubt that increasing
levels of global trade offer hope to millions of people living
in poverty. The Secretary of State has strongly defended globalisation
in the face of its critics, some of whom are on Labour's Back
Benches. The Government's White Paper on globalisation is called
"Eliminating World Poverty: Making Globalisation Work for
the Poor", but billions of people are still marginalised
by the process. The challenge now is to make globalisation work
on a global scale.
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